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samatm

IF if if he was deluded by Antifa.   What would the motivation for cover up be?  Why would the local , state, and Fed Law enforcement cover up Antifa attacks?   I would think if there was an Antifa Flag..and draped it over the pulpit it would have been widely reported.   

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colemanlee

I have to agree...I guess it depends on who is reporting it...and being here in the Phils...who knows

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DeedleNuts
9 hours ago, Monsoon said:

Sounds like he was a real proper piece of shit.

Also most likely was legally proscribed from owning a firearm it seems. Both history of spousal abuse and a dishonorable discharge are disqualifying offenses last time I checked. 

Gun control: Working as well as it ever does. 

On the other hand this was ended by an armed citizen. That's not given a lot of headlines yet, I'll be interested to see if the press is able to suppress that or if it becomes too prominent to be ignored. They are mentioning it a little but no headlines I've seen so far. 

 

4 hours ago, Jester said:

There is a theory develop on this and nobody wants to talk about it, the increase in mass shootings has happened in the last few decades.  Along with the introduction of powerful psychiatric drugs! 

I believe this has to be a factor. Many if not most of these idiots are on SSRI (?) pills. Guess what? When Billy thinks about doing bad things he's SUPPOSED to feel like sh*t. That's how it's supposed to work. If a pill makes an unstable person stop feeling bad about bad things, what could go wrong?

 

3 hours ago, to_dave007 said:

If I was a betting man I'd say most were due to "other causes".  How many in other countries? How many in US?

If one discounts gang violence (which is not what people think of when they say "mass shooting") a lot recently were ideologically inspired but not all.

I work with a lot of Hebrews (I'm in Los Angeles at the moment) and many of them carry into worship whether they have a California carry permit or not. It's trading one risk for another and IMO they are making a reasonable choice. I actually sold one fella in the office a highly concealable mouse gun that I suspect is being used extra-legally although I have no proof.

We shouldn't make it illegal for peaceful law abiding citizens to protect themselves, the police just can't be everywhere. 

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samatm

I wonder what his (the Tx shooter) reaction to Paddock in Vegas shooting was?    

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Kabisay-an gid
4 hours ago, A_Simple_Man said:

Snopes is BULLSHIT, and it's amazing how many gullible people firmly believe that they're infallible and unbiased.

 

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Fact-Checking Snopes: Website’s Political ‘Fact-Checker’ Is Just A Failed Liberal Blogger

Popular myth-busting website Snopes originally gained recognition for being the go-to site for disproving outlandish urban legends -such as the presence of UFOs in Haiti or the existence of human-animal hybrids in the Amazon jungle.

Recently, however, the site has tried to pose as a political fact-checker. But Snopes’ “fact-checking” looks more like playing defense for prominent Democrats like Hillary Clinton and it’s political “fact-checker” describes herself as a liberal and has called Republicans “regressive” and afraid of “female agency.”

Snopes’ main political fact-checker is a writer named Kim Lacapria. Before writing for Snopes, Lacapria wrote for Inquisitr, a blog that — oddly enough — is known for publishing fake quotes and even downright hoaxes as much as anything else.

While at Inquisitr, the future “fact-checker” consistently displayed clear partisanship (RELATED: Snopes Caught Lying About Lack Of American Flags At Democratic Convention)

 

She described herself as “openly left-leaning” and a liberal. She trashed the Tea Party as “teahadists.” She called Bill Clinton “one of our greatest” presidents. She claimed that conservatives only criticized Lena Dunham’s comparison of voting to sex because they “fear female agency.”

She once wrote: “Like many GOP ideas about the poor, the panic about using food stamps for alcohol, p*ornography or guns seems to have been cut from whole cloth–or more likely, the ideas many have about the fantasy of poverty.” (A simple fact-check would show that food stamp fraud does occur and costs taxpayers tens of millions.)

Lacapria even accused the Bush administration of being “at least guilty of criminal negligience” in the September 11 attacks. (The future “fact-checker” offered no evidence to support her accusation.)

Her columns apparently failed to impress her readership, oftentimes failing to get more than 10-20 shares.

 

After blogging the Inquisitr, Lacapria joined Snopes, where she regularly plays defense for her fellow liberals.

She wrote a “fact check” article about Jimmy Carter’s unilateral ban of Iranian nationals from entering the country that looks more like an opinion column arguing against Donald Trump’s proposed Muslim ban.

Similarly, Lacapria — in another “fact check” article — argued Hillary Clinton hadn’t included Benghazi at all in her infamous “we didn’t lose a single person in Libya” gaffe. Lacapria claimed Clinton only meant to refer to the 2011 invasion of Libya (but not the 2012 Benghazi attack) but offered little fact-based evidence to support her claim.

After the Orlando terror attack, Lacapria claimed that just because Omar Mateen was a registered Democrat with an active voter registration status didn’t mean he was actually a Democrat. Her “fact check” argued that he might “have chosen a random political affiliation when he initially registered.”

Lacapria even tried to contradict the former Facebook workers who admitted that Facebook regularly censors conservative news, dismissing the news as “rumors.”

In that “fact check” article, Lacapria argued that “Facebook Trending’s blacklisting of ‘junk topics’ was not only not a scandalous development, but to be expected following the social network’s crackdown on fake news sites.” The opinion-heavy article was mockingly titled: The Algorithm Is Gonna Get You.

Lacapria again played defense for Clinton in a fact check article when she claimed: “Outrage over an expensive Armani jacket worn by Hillary Clinton was peppered with inaccurate details.”

One of the “inaccurate details” cited by Lacapria was that, “The cost of men’s suits worn by fellow politicians didn’t appear in the article for contrast.” She also argued the speech Clinton gave while wearing the $12,495 jacket, which discussed “raising wages and reducing inequality,” wasn’t actually about income inequality.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/17/fact-checking-snopes-websites-political-fact-checker-is-just-a-failed-liberal-blogger/

 

 

 

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A good guy with an AR-type rifle stopped the carnage - not the police - shooting at and hitting the killer, forcing him to flee in his vehicle. The armed good guy and another man chased the killer for 11 miles, finally running him off the road, whereupon the killer shot himself in the head. The police were nowhere to be found during the entire incident - a good guy with a gun got the job done.

 

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Kelley arrived at the church Sunday afternoon decked out in tactical gear and toting a Ruger 556 assault rifle.

He opened fire inside the church, killing more than two dozen and wounding another 20 people.

The victims ranged in age from 18 months to 77 years, officials said.

An armed neighbor was alerted to the shooting, ran outside with an AR-type rifle and fired at Kelley.

The neighbor grabbed another man passing by, and they chased him 11 miles until he crashed, officials said.

Kelley called his father during the chase to say he’d been shot and didn’t think he was going to make it, Martin said.

The disgraced airman then shot himself with one of the two handguns — a Glock 9 mm and a Ruger .22 — police found in his car.

Entire Article: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-gunman-devin-kelley-in-laws-attended-church-shot-article-1.3614529

 

 
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DeedleNuts
1 hour ago, Kabisay-an gid said:

A good guy with an AR-type rifle stopped the carnage - not the police 

The unarmed guy who disarmed the shooter is getting some press, the armed citizen seems to be not getting much at all. I'll be watching to see how it shakes out but it does seem to be a bit of an effort to ignore the role that an armed citizen played in ending this so far. 

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Texas officials cite domestic situation in church shooting: 'There were threatening texts'

 
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fcdb1b81b0b76a67fddab15d1a4f21cc Investigators work at the scene of the mass shooting at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Sunday. (Nick Wagner/Austin American-Statesman vía AP)

Two women believed to be the wife and mother-in-law of the gunman who opened fire at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, on Sunday sometimes attended the church and appear to have been close to the pastor’s family, online records and social media profiles reviewed by Yahoo News show.

Officials say the gunman, Devin Patrick Kelley, 26, of New Braunfels, Texas, killed 26 people and wounded 20 others in what authorities say was the worst mass shooting in state history and the deadliest at any house of worship in U.S. history. Kelley was found dead following a high-speed chase that began after he was confronted by armed neighbors and fled the scene.

According her Facebook and LinkedIn accounts, Danielle Kelley (nee Danielle Lee Shields), Devin’s wife of three years (her profile status lists her as married in April 2014), served as a vacation Bible school teacher at First Baptist Church from 2008 until 2013. Her mother, Michelle Shields, is listed as a member of the church and is seen in several Facebook photos with Sherri Pomeroy, the wife of the church’s pastor, Frank Pomeroy, and in photos and a Facebook video with Annabelle Pomeroy, the pastor’s 14-year-old daughter, who was killed in Sunday’s massacre.

Sherri and Frank Pomeroy were out of town in different states at the time of the shooting, and the service was led by a guest pastor.

At a press conference Monday morning, Texas Department of Public Safety Director Freeman Martin confirmed that Devin Kelley’s mother-in-law was a member of the church, and revealed that the gunman had “expressed anger towards his mother-in-law.”

“This was not racially motivated. It wasn’t over religious beliefs,” Martin said.

“We can tell you there was a domestic situation going on within this family,” he continued. “The suspect’s mother-in-law attended this church. We know that there were threatening texts from him.”

Martin said it’s not clear whether she had previously disclosed the threatening texts to law enforcement.

The connections between the suspected gunman’s in-laws and the the First Baptist Church, and the suspect’s angry texts, offer the first clues about a motive for the shooting.

08a3c81405a2dab55827515bcb199a98 Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt Jr. gives an update to the media at the scene of the shooting at the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs early Monday. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)

In television interviews earlier Monday, Wilson County Sheriff Joe D. Tackitt Jr. said that Kelley’s in-laws weren’t at the church when the shooting occurred, but that they attended services there “from time to time.”

Tackitt said that while it’s clear the small-town congregation was the gunman’s target, authorities have yet to establish a concrete motive.

The Associated Press reported on Monday that Devin Kelley was discharged from the Air Force in 2014 for allegedly assaulting his spouse and child two years before.

On ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Texas Gov. Greg Abbott acknowledged there may have been a link between the gunman and the church, saying the public would likely be informed of such a connection “in a few days.”

“I don’t think this was just a random act of violence,” Abbott said. “Law enforcement is looking very aggressively into this.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-officials-cite-domestic-situation-church-shooting-threatening-texts-170055447.html

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DeedleNuts

Perhaps insensitive but deserves to be pointed out that many times more people died in America Sunday in traffic than in this shooting. 

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3 hours ago, DeedleNuts said:

Perhaps insensitive but deserves to be pointed out that many times more people died in America Sunday in traffic than in this shooting. 

And of course chicago had a typical weekend-29 shootings reported.

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DeedleNuts
1 hour ago, cebubird said:

And of course chicago had a typical weekend-29 shootings reported.

This was a horrific event and certainly newsworthy, the point, however, as you point out is that as a threat to public safety it is reported much out of proportion. No one is talking about those 29 Chicago deaths, nor have I seen daily headlines that report the triple digit daily traffic death toll in America. 

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A_Simple_Man
7 hours ago, Kabisay-an gid said:

Snopes is BULLSHIT, and it's amazing how many gullible people firmly believe that they're infallible and unbiased

Each to their own opinion.  I find it amazing how many gullible people firmly believe whatever BULLSHIT is typed on the Internet by some no name site that tells them what they want to hear.  

But since you like those kind of sites instead of one with a proven track record, hear ya go

Fake news: No proof Antifa, communism compelled Texas shooter Devin Kelley

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5 hours ago, A_Simple_Man said:

Each to their own opinion.  I find it amazing how many gullible people firmly believe whatever BULLSHIT is typed on the Internet by some no name site that tells them what they want to hear.  

But since you like those kind of sites instead of one with a proven track record, hear ya go

Fake news: No proof Antifa, communism compelled Texas shooter Devin Kelley

What's sad is that people seem to care less about all the people being gunned down and more concerned about what "side" did it.

Don't even bother arguing with these numbskulls.  The culture war is firmly post-truth - people don't believe in objective facts anymore - just in what they believe in.  You are not going to change their minds and they are not going to change yours.

Sometimes it comes down to people  being ignorant, stupid or simply insane.  Or mebbe a heady mix of all three.

 

 

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Headshot
1 hour ago, Irenicus said:

The culture war is firmly post-truth - people don't believe in objective facts anymore - just in what they believe in. 

What is sad is that it is difficult to even find "objective facts" anymore. It seems like almost all news has a slant to support this view point or that. There are many agendas out there, and the "numbskulls" don't all belong to one group.

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