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In 2013/2014 there was a thread about using Clomid for Low T in lieu of Testosterone Gel, Cream, or Injections. A lot of interest and then nothing. Maybe all the guys died, we are old after all.

Seriously, if you are not dead yet, you want a solid night's sleep (no waking up to pee), and wake-up with morning wood, with an occasional lecherous thought thrown in. If you don't have this, you have low T. NO BLOOD TEST NEEDED. See how simple.

 

A testosterone test produces only meaningless numbers that vary dramatically with the amount and quality of sleep you had the night before, the time of day the blood is taken, even your diet. If you want numbers, you need to measure your FREE T and your E2. These two are the only two numbers that matter. But any numbers are simply numbers.

 

You are an individual. If you are satisfied with how your body is functioning then leave it alone. If something is not right, look it up, research it and do something.

 

I AM NOT A DOCTOR, and THIS IS NOT MEDICAL ADVICE; but from what I read Clomid will give you the ability to function again naturally without the artificial help of Viagara or Cialis. Read the earlier thread.

 

Face it; your body is shutting down. Your levels of Pregnenolone, DHEA, Testosterone, Melatonin, HGH (measured as IGF-1) are all a tiny percentage of what they were when you were 35. An anti-aging program is about restoring these hormones back to the levels of your glory days including reducing your Estrogen levels - the only hormone to increase as you age.

 

Except for the tricks your mind will play on you, you will NO results for 6 months with any of this with the exception of Melatonin and Clomid.

 

Studies are studies, tests are tests, numbers are numbers, YOU and how YOU FEEL is all that matters. Your personal satisfaction with your body and your life is preeminent.

 

If you have personal experience with any of this and want to share it with the rest of us, I know I, speaking for myself, would welcome your personal stories.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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calasiaobound

Sounds like an advert for this clomid stuff. Just sayin'..

http://www.mims.com/Philippines/drug/info/Clomid/

 

According to this ( and many other online sources)

This t booster as you're referring to it as..is for female infertility.

 

One of the side effects by the way can be enlarged ovaries..another bleeding uterus..

 

I don't want enlarged ovaries nor a uterus that bleeds, so I'll pass..but thanx for the info..

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ucello

Trying out testosterone was one of the worst decisions I ever made. Even though it was only a few months, my balls shrunk PERMANENTLY, and there was no improvement in health. I don't want to know what damage it did to the rest of my body...

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Monsoon

 

 

I don't want enlarged ovaries nor a uterus that bleeds, so I'll pass..but thanx for the info..

 

If you have a uterus or ovaries, that would be the least of your concern. 

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sugbu777

 

 

my balls shrunk PERMANENTLY,

 

EEEEP!!

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Bill H

Sounds like an advert for this clomid stuff. Just sayin'..

http://www.mims.com/Philippines/drug/info/Clomid/

 

According to this ( and many other online sources)

This t booster as you're referring to it as..is for female infertility.

 

One of the side effects by the way can be enlarged ovaries..another bleeding uterus..

 

I don't want enlarged ovaries nor a uterus that bleeds, so I'll pass..but thanx for the info..

 

No problems for you then mate, cuz you don't have a uterus or ovaries!  You're home free man!

 

I used it for a while before I left.  It worked well.  I would use it here, but you need a doctor's prescription and no one has said yes yet.

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nothingbutquestions

Here's a link that might explain his problem: the title is

Testicle Shrinkage - Caused by Over Masturbation

http://www.herballove.com/guide/testicle-shrinkage-caused-over-masturbation

 

Seriously, if the shrinkage was caused by the over injection of synthetic exogenous testosterone , I have read others have used  Nolva and Clomid PCT to return them back to normal. You need to do your research on the steroid and bodybuilding forums.

 

I am hoping that any of our members who have experienced results good or bad from using Clomid, HGH, or any endogenous hormones would share their experiences with the rest of us.

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nothingbutquestions

No rx needed last year. Has something changed.

 

An earlier post :

No script needed. If they ask just tell them you forgot it or go to a different pharmacy.
Write your own script on a pad of paper:
Sig: clomiphene citrate
50mg
#30 (or how many pieces you want).
That way you dont even have to try and explain to them what you want. They may ask you "what brand sir?" Just say "generrrric na lang" (make sure to roll your Rs).
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Bill H

 

No rx needed last year. Has something changed.

 

An earlier post :

No script needed. If they ask just tell them you forgot it or go to a different pharmacy.

Write your own script on a pad of paper:

Sig: clomiphene citrate

50mg

#30 (or how many pieces you want).

That way you dont even have to try and explain to them what you want. They may ask you "what brand sir?" Just say "generrrric na lang" (make sure to roll your Rs).

 

 

That works in the PH but not in the States where I am now.

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nothingbutquestions

The superior solution in the States, so I've read, is to find a peptide supplier who has liquid clomid  and a dropper - so many drops equals so many mg.. No rx req'd. Research and you will find it. If you have a problem, pm me.

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SkyMan

 

No rx needed last year. Has something changed.

 

An earlier post :

No script needed. If they ask just tell them you forgot it or go to a different pharmacy.

Write your own script on a pad of paper:

Sig: clomiphene citrate

50mg

#30 (or how many pieces you want).

That way you dont even have to try and explain to them what you want. They may ask you "what brand sir?" Just say "generrrric na lang" (make sure to roll your Rs).

 

So how often?

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calasiaobound

If you have a uterus or ovaries, that would be the least of your concern.

 

  

No problems for you then mate, cuz you don't have a uterus or ovaries!  You're home free man!

 

I used it for a while before I left.  It worked well.  I would use it here, but you need a doctor's prescription and no one has said yes yet.

It was sarcasm doods

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I thought this article was quite informative on the subject...even though it was essentially an advertisement for a doctor in the US. You can draw your own conclusions.

 

Clomiphene Citrate (CC pill, or Clomid) - A Testosterone Therapy Alternative for Men with Low Testosterone Levels

 

A Testosterone Therapy Alternative for Men with Low Testosterone Levels

 

Whether you are a 30, 50, 80 or even 110 year old man, having low testosterone levels (hypogonadism) is neither fun nor healthy. The symptoms of low testosterone in men range from lack of energy, depressed mood, loss of vitality, muscle atrophy (sarcopenia), muscles aches, low libido, erectile dysfunction, and weight gain...to bone loss (osteopenia), osteoporosis, mild anemia, increased risk of Alzheimer's, increased risk of high-grade prostate cancer, and increased risk of death due to all causes.

 

As you may know, low testosterone in men may be caused by problems in the testes (or gonads). This is called primary hypogonadism and can be brought on by the mumps, testicular trauma, or testicular cancer, etc., and can only be treated with testosterone replacement therapy. However, the more common causes of low testosterone/hypogonadism result from problems in the pituitary gland and/or hypothalamus in a man's brain. Low testosterone levels caused by such "brain problems" are collectively described as secondary hypogonadism or hypogonadotropic hypogonadism and may result from depression/anxiety, head trauma, iron overload, anabolic steroid overdosing, diabetes, sleep deprivation, or some medications.

 

Traditionally, if low testosterone is diagnosed, testosterone replacement therapy is prescribed, and it most commonly comes in the form of a cream, gel, pellet, patch, and by injection. And although these types of therapy are effective, some methods are better than others, and there are side-effects with all of them. For example, testicular shrinkage, gynecomastia (breast enlargement), low sperm count/sterility, and polycythemia (overproduction of red blood cells) are common side-effects of testosterone replacement therapy (for many sufferers, these side-effects are mostly treatable or considered "worth it" by the patient).

 

However, specifically due to the sterility side-effect, such testosterone treatments aren't a good option for men who want to have children. In these (usually young) hypogonadal men, clomiphene citrate (CC pill, or Clomid) and/or human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) have been used (by specialists) for decades to increase testosterone production, increase sperm production, and increase fertility. Both these therapies effectively help signal the testes to produce testosterone and thereby increase testosterone levels (assuming of course the cause of the initial problem is not in the testes' ability to make testosterone). See "David" below for an oversimplified diagram of how clomiphene, HCG, and testosterone work within the hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis.

 

In a healthy male, the pituitary gland in the brain releases luteinizing hormone (LH) into the blood stream, which signals the testes to “GO” and produce testosterone. After testosterone has been produced it naturally converts to some estrogen (yes, there’s estrogen in men too) and this estrogen acts as a “STOP” signal to the pituitary to stop making LH. It is a delicate system of checks and balances which I have simplified here for our purposes.

 

Clomid (clomiphene citrate, or CC pill) works by blocking estrogen at the pituitary and hypothalamus. Thus, the usual estrogen message to "STOP" production of LH is essentially silenced, and therefore the pituitary makes more LH and there is an increased "GO" signal to produce testosterone in the testes. HCG works by mimicking LH, which also increases the "GO" signal to produce more testosterone in the testes. Prescribing testosterone for a man, however, does the opposite of what clomiphene and HCG do.

 

With traditional testosterone replacement therapy, the brain (hypothalamus and pituitary) gets the message that there is plenty of testosterone being made in the testes, so much so that it doesn't need to make anymore. Subsequently, the pituitary stops producing LH, and the natural production of testosterone (and sperm) in the testes ceases, which is why traditional testosterone replacement results in testicular shrinkage and low sperm count...a man's testosterone and sperm manufacturing plant is essentially shut off.

 

Clomiphene citrate (CC pill) and/or HCG do not turn off the testosterone manufacturing plant but rather turn it back on or reboot it. While some hypogonadal men require continuous use of clomiphene, for others it can be used for a 3-6 month time period and then discontinued. And, the checks and balances system is not interrupted, so there aren't the testosterone replacement side-effects which occur due to intentional or unintentional testosterone overdosing. Most interestingly, although it used to be thought that clomiphene and/or HCG only worked on young men, in the past decade or so it has been used effectively in older men too.

 

The 5 Main Reasons Clomiphene Citrate (CC pill, or Clomid) May be a Good Alternative to Testosterone Replacement Therapy in Men with Low Testosterone Due to Secondary Hypogonadism:

 

1. Clomiphene citrate (CC pill) stimulates the body's own production of testosterone

 

2. Clomiphene citrate (CC pill) doesn't interfere with the body's checks and balances of testosterone

 

3. Clomiphene citrate (CC pill) comes as a pill easily administered by mouth

 

4. Clomiphene citrate (CC pill) is generic and very cheap

 

5. Clomiphene citrate (CC pill) has little side-effects and low risk of developing these side-effects

 

The 5 Main Reasons Clomiphene Citrate (CC pill, or Clomid) is Not Usually Prescribed to Men with Low Testosterone Due to Secondary Hypogonadism:

 

1. Most doctors aren't aware of the efficacy and safety of clomiphene use in men

 

2. Most doctors think of Clomid as a "women's drug" to increase fertility

 

3. Clomid is FDA approved only for use in women

 

4. Clomid use in men is considered "off label"

 

5. Clomiphene citrate (CC pill) is now generic and really inexpensive so it's not advertised very much

 

Note: HCG is more commonly known and prescribed for secondary hypogonadism in men but it involves injection and is expensive, so if clomiphene works alone I think that is preferred.

 

The 4 Main Risks of Using Clomiphene Citrate (CC pill, or Clomid) in Men with Low Testosterone Due to Secondary Hypogonadism:

 

1. Very rarely, visual changes may occur which are reversible with discontinuation

 

2. In older men, there is a reported increased risk of pyospermia (a noninfectious increase in white blood cells in semen, with unseen detriment)

 

3. Clomiphene citrate (CC pill) is a drug which is not bio-identical. This means it's molecular structure doesn't mimic a compound naturally found in the human body. And, correspondingly, clomiphene citrate (CC pill) doesn't have a known natural function in the human body and thus may at some point manifest a currently unknown side-effect in men. This latter, however, is a theoretical risk because for more than 40 years clomiphene use in men has only shown the risks above.

 

4. Clomiphene may not work...especially in older men who in addition to secondary hypogonadism may also have primary hypogonadism; or in men with an unresolved chronic disease

 

In conclusion, in the appropriate male patient, clomiphene citrate (CC pill, or Clomid) may be a good alternative to both short and long-term testosterone replacement therapy. Regardless, just like testosterone replacement, clomiphene citrate (CC pill) must be administered and monitored by a competent physician.

 

http://shiramillermd.com/blog/clomid-men-testosterone-alternative.html

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bargeman

If you have a uterus or ovaries, that would be the least of your concern. 

Unless your Vice Gander  :cool:

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nothingbutquestions

About doseage: the info I found on the earlier thread was most would take 25mg/day for 1 week to preload the system and then cut  back to 25mg/eod (every other day). 

Some have found success at 12.5/mg others needed 50. Majority 25.

Brand Name: Clomid

Generic: Clomiphene Citrate

Philippines: OVA-MIT  at 80 - 100/pill  50mg at Watson and Mercury and Generic (split pill in half) 50mg is the usual doseage for women

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