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SkyMan

A Culture of Corruption?

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SkyMan

There's been a lot of discussions on corruption here including very recently and I've been thinking about it. I think there are a number of factors for it. We, most of us expats, come here from relatively corruption free societies. Or at least corruption free on the worker bee level. We don't have to slip a few bucks to the jerk at the license bureau to get a license in a reasonable time or without some of the annoying things like tests, getting something shipped across country and it actually getting there doesn't require tipping the mailman, notary services are free or at least cheap and not based on the amount of the transaction, and handing the cop 3 or 4 bucks with your drivers license is a quick trip to jail. Here, we're in a whole new world and it's point blank in our faces. We ask, why do these people put up with this?

 

Well, I think it's mainly because it has been a part of their culture since birth. This is the way things get done and if you don't want to play then it can be hard on you.

 

I think they also see the plus side to corruption. In the west if someone says "you can't do that because of this rule" that's it, you can't do that unless there is some vehicle for a waiver or something. Here, you pay a tip and then suddenly it's ok to break that rule. I'm not saying it's a good thing but that's the way it is. You and I know it's better the other way but since the people here haven't experienced the other way you're going to have a hard time changing it.

 

So the Marcoses and Eraps of this country will continue to get reelected to our complete amazement even convicted of corruption because the people assume they are all corrupt so that doesn't even seem to be a campaign issue. If your life was a bit better under this guy you'll vote for him.

 

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fanboat

All people are corrupt every where in the world....if they think they can get away with it.many a man has taken what he thinks is his fair share of money.Why look how the american Lawyers are leading the way?

 

ps....bye the way...when is the last time you found a hundred dollar bill on the floor....and looked for the owner?:yourock:

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Athena

I don't know what to say to this

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Athena

ps....bye the way...when is the last time you found a hundred dollar bill on the floor....and looked for the owner?:yourock:

 

 

Lots of people still do

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Mr. Mike

Is it corruption, ignorance, low self esteem, or some combination thereof......................How can a predominantly Roman Catholic country, the RP,( and many other countries) go to church on Sunday, enjoy and participate in its holidays, holy days,,, and yet descend into the cold blooded, thieving practices, and other various crimes that exist...............How does that happen?

 

 

I am Roman Catholic, and I will be the first to say ............ROME, the Vatican and the the Holy Father is ,,,,,,and has been for centuries,,,,dubious! Like most religions, they seek a following, but are never measured on the results of their teachings.

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Davolives

Is it corruption, ignorance, low self esteem, or some combination thereof......................How can a predominantly Roman Catholic country go to church on Sunday, enjoy and participate in its holidays, and yet descend into the cold blooded, thieving practices that exist...............How does that happen?

 

 

I am Roman Catholic, and I will be the first to say ............ROME, the Vatican and the the Holy Father is ,,,,,,and has been for centuries,,,,dubious!

 

 

A seaman sends money to his daughter to buy the family a car-and she gets the seller to issue a bogus sales slip for more than the real cost- thats not " thou shall not steal" - its just the the culture

Many many married guys have gfs on the side- thats not " thou shall not commit adultery"= its just the culture

 

Thou shall not covet thy neighbours house/suv etc - most people here do that big time- but thats not coveting- its just the culture

 

I agree with you Mr Mike -

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Cary

I guess it will be hard for me Skyman because I will do just like Elinel and do everything by the book here. I am no hero either.

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Wombat No More

They're all thieving bastards.

 

I heard a Yank make a rather outrageous statement once, although I admit I laughed at the time... He reckons he could fix the corruption problem in the Philippines in one foul swoop by shooting everyone over 10 years old and starting again!

 

I reckoned back that it was a waste of time coz by 10 years old, it was already way too late.

 

Is it corruption, ignorance, low self esteem, or some combination thereof......................How can a predominantly Roman Catholic country, the RP, go to church on Sunday, enjoy and participate in its holidays, and yet descend into the cold blooded, thieving practices that exist...............How does that happen?

 

 

I am Roman Catholic, and I will be the first to say ............ROME, the Vatican and the the Holy Father is ,,,,,,and has been for centuries,,,,dubious!

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broden

They're all thieving bastards.

 

I heard a Yank make a rather outrageous statement once, although I admit I laughed at the time... He reckons he could fix the corruption problem in the Philippines in one foul swoop by shooting everyone over 10 years old and starting again!

 

I reckoned back that it was a waste of time coz by 10 years old, it was already way too late.

yeah i had to read lord of the flies in school too

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musicman666

A seaman sends money to his daughter to buy the family a car-and she gets the seller to issue a bogus sales slip for more than the real cost- thats not " thou shall not steal" - its just the the culture

Many many married guys have gfs on the side- thats not " thou shall not commit adultery"= its just the culture

 

Thou shall not covet thy neighbours house/suv etc - most people here do that big time- but thats not coveting- its just the culture

 

I agree with you Mr Mike -

The reason Catholics break their own rules is because they don't believe there is a heaven...... Why would anyone steal and commit adultery knowing the result will be everlasting damnation??

 

The catholic faith is just culture.....they don't believe in it.

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Headshot

All people are corrupt every where in the world....if they think they can get away with it.many a man has taken what he thinks is his fair share of money.Why look how the american Lawyers are leading the way?

 

ps....bye the way...when is the last time you found a hundred dollar bill on the floor....and looked for the owner?:closedeyes:

Just the other day I watched as a busboy in Chow King found some personal property at a table he was cleaning. The items were valuable and would have been very easy to hide. Instead, without ever looking to see if anyone was looking, he took the items up to the girl at the cash register and set them on the counter for the owners to get if they returned. I'm pretty sure I was the only person who actually noticed this episode (people eat with their heads down here a lot). I would say that this episode was pretty good evidence that there are still honest people around...even here.

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PeteHK

Isn't corruption about using and abusing a position of authority or power to gain some advantage, usually financial? Yes, it's theft in a way but it's not the same as the guy who walks into your house and steals your laptop. Most of the cases we read about on the forum involve some kind of public service and it's frontline staff that are usually the offenders. These sorts of systems can be cleaned up. For example, It was said in the 1960s and 70s that the Hong Kong police had a culture of corruption - and they did, both local and some expat officers. So the government set up the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) to deal with corruption everywhere, not only the police. But it did work. Of course, HK is not corruption free by any means but it isn't rampant. Salaries/wages are a critical factor too.

 

I don't think Filipinos are inherently more corrupt than many other populations - many are hard-working honest folks struggling to make a life for themselves and their families.

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broden

i don't think most people involved in corruption see it as such. they just see it as normal day to day life and getting their share

 

doesn't make them or it any better but that's just how i see it

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loosehead

That's a very big statement by the Op that expats come from corruption free countries. I guess that rules out the US which has an economy on it's knees due to corruption on a massive scale.

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Mr. Mike

The reason Catholics break their own rules is because they don't believe there is a heaven...... Why would anyone steal and commit adultery knowing the result will be everlasting damnation??

 

The catholic faith is just culture.....they don't believe in it.

 

Who knows if there is an afterlife, or damnation? It is a matter of faith! I might suggest that many people of faith DO believe, and I admire that. I am still working on it!

 

 

When I get to the Pearly Gates, and Saint Peter asks what I have done to be worthy of entry into Heaven....I will say "as I have aged, I have learned to enjoy my wisdom , regret my mistakes, question my existence,,,,my purpose,,,, and finally the existence of GOD".................oops!

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