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Are You Sure The Philippines Is The Right Place For You?

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Cary

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That's only if you have enough money left after the Communists (I mean Democrats) have taken their "share". tongue_01.gif

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Cary

Nomad, you make very good solid points in that nothing, let alone health care will be truly fixed while the overall economy suffers. And I truly believe that President Obama means well, I really do. But just as Morey and Bret have pointed out, the way that Obama is doing it, raising taxes and making a new social welfare program will drive many to leave and come to places like the Philippines. I think he needs to focus on the economy, work on things that are broken in health care, and like you said around late 2010/11 maybe the economists are wrong, but hopefully not.

 

 

We can all point the finger at Obama, but my take on this is that the U.S. economy just plain sucks! It's, for the time being, going down the tubes and Obama nor anyone else is going to be able to improve health care while that's happening. The unemployment rate is going to continue to skyrocket according to all economists reckoning until at least 2011; although my opinion is that they're whistling dixie to this estimate and that it will continue for much longer. With an ever increasing amount of people out of work and no confidence in the economy, means less purchasing power and less taxes for the government. Any promises handed out by Obama in regards to improving health care might as well be written on water.

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bret

But just as Morey and Bret have pointed out, the way that Obama is doing it, raising taxes and making a new social welfare program will drive many to leave and come to places like the Philippines.

 

You got that right!

 

That's one of the main reasons I am leaving the US and retiring in the Fils. I have other reasons, but that is in the top five.

 

What a time to create another socialist program paid for on the backs of the working man or woman.

 

I could have gone to Canada, but too cold most of the time. Could have gone to Mexico, but too many Mexicans. Europe is expensive. Southern hemisphere just seems "upside down" to me, being raised "right side up" all my life. Not sure I could get used to seeing my toiled "flush" the wrong way. :D

 

That leaves Asia.

 

So, where would an English speaking, Christian, white boy retire in Asia that's cheap enough to live comfortably on a semi-fixed income? Hmmmm...where indeed. :o

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OldSchool

What will suck is that the US will work to keep the dollar low as long as possible. The PI got spoilt on big money from Koreans, and the Koreans will probably be back spending before we do.

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Paul

This topic is a primary reason as to why this forum exists.

 

For years now, the most important advice I have given regarding moving here from any western country, is to come here and "try it on for size". You will never see me trying to convince anyone to liquidate their entire lives in the west, encouraging them to move here, especially if they have never visited the Philippines. No one has the right to do that. But, I have seen others who own Philippines related sites who did exactly that. They encourage people to sell everything they have, pack their bags and come here to live. Of course, anyone who falls for such advice and actually buys into it, is naive and ignorant.

 

However, I am glad to see that people are doing more research on the Philippines, and elsewhere in the world, prior to making their first trip, especially Americans. We (Americans) aren't known for our world travels and many are quite ignorant of the "real" world around us. (Ask any American to describe what the Canadian Flag looks like. Most will not be able to tell you.) We also believe too much of what the liberal news media throws at us. Even those from other countries, people who do travel much more than we, like the Scandinavians and Europeans for example, are doing more research online before taking their first trip. With the internet as it has become today, we (those of us on the ground here) can actually offer newbies the information they seek. We can share with them our personal experiences, which will help them make their decisions for retirement and/or relocation much easier.

 

But, even with all the planning we can do, living in the Philippines isn't for everyone. I have seen many guys come and go. Some went back because they didn't want to live on a level beneath what they were accustomed to, after the Philippine Piso gained against the US Dollar. Others found they couldn't deal with a culture that was so different from their own. Logic processes... I won't even go there. More foreigners couldn't handle the heat as they thought they could. Other people couldn't learn how to play the game here. Another reason I have seen people leave here for, was to take a child to the west so he or she could get a better education. Even that is suspect in my mind, because I don't know how "good" educational institutions are in the west, nowadays. Anyway, for whatever reason(s), these various foreigners packed their toys, boarded a plane on the Mactan-Cebu International Airport tarmac, and waved "bye bye" to Cebu, and to us, forever.

 

So be it. If you can't hack living here, go home. As a foreigner you always have that choice. This isn't a negative reflection on anyone, as some can deal with it while others can't. I won't fault anyone for giving up and going home. If it isn't your cup of tuba, drink something else. For me, however, it's a different story.

 

I came to the Philippines to stay permanently very early on in this decade. I came with the attitude that I was going to do what it took to live here, hands down. I would be the one who would adapt and adjust. I would be the one who would change. I would be the one who would accept the Filipino culture as my own, for the most part anyway. I come from parents who were tough and could handle anything that came their way. I see no reason to be anything different.

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Cary

Sadly yes because Obama believes in giving the money that I have to get up and go work for and then give it others who are not working. Now I don't mind those who because of the economy don't have a job, its the other guys who still don't want to work that a large part of my check goes toomad_01.gif

 

 

What will suck is that the US will work to keep the dollar low as long as possible. The PI got spoilt on big money from Koreans, and the Koreans will probably be back spending before we do.

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smokey

yes its sucks that the economy in the US is bad and its not a good thing for all the unemployment but and there is always a but... If things were not the way they are i could not afford to get a condo in reno and still keep my house here so when you get lemons make lemonaid...

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fredanna

This is a very good thread and some great responses, thank you.

I'm printing all this and it goes in the Phils Folder for my future thoughts about our move.

Many many things to consider. Trial runs are mandatory!

 

I had a thought to share, and was wondering if some folks left the Phils because of the poverty over there? There's rich and poor. No middle class.

We're planning a move where my wife's parents are located. Our dream house and one other fairly new house would be amongst the typical filipino home. Either a wooden shack or some half-planned unfinished cinder block (hollow block) building with a tin roof. Usually no ceilings to shield from the heat of the tin roof, a stand-fan, a "ref", a 20" TV, and a couple of flourescent lights.....maybe running water and a CR with half the toilet missing.

And we'll be in this two story house with A/C and hot and cold running water and 3-4 bathrooms with real toilets.

I really think mama and papa would not want to live with us coz it would look like they stepped ahead of the others in their neighborhood.

 

Fred

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Kaku

I want to thank everyone for taking the time to share their thoughts. I've either lived in or visited several countries in Latin America so I have an understanding of the pressures poverty and lack of infrastructure can impose on one's well being.

 

As for those who are worried about the U.S., fear not the government's solution to the national deficit is devaluation of the dollar. Countries like the Philippines who are heavily dependent upon OFW remittances will have no choice but to let their currencies float and settle where they may. I think U.S. expats should be prepared for 20 pesos to the dollar sometime in the not too distant future (a few years, perhaps?). The dollar will contiue to fall until the U.S. balance of trade levels out. Sooner or later it will be cheaper to manufacture in the USA than to import.

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Terry

Admin:

 

"I came to the Philippines to stay permanently very early on in this decade. I came with the attitude that I was going to do what it took to live here, hands down. I would be the one who would adapt and adjust. I would be the one who would change. I would be the one who would accept the Filipino culture as my own, for the most part anyway." Is the BEST advise I've EVER heard. Attitude is EVERYTHING in life. As for specifics, it has been my experience that the only REAL difference between PI and ALL other places is that the PI just don't care to hide it. As I was once told by a friend in NY, "You can't claim to be from NY unless you've been mugged at least twice". :angel:

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rainymike

For the typical American who is not as adventurous as some, Mexico, Costa Rica and Panama are much better choices. A little more expensive than the Phils, but close to home.

 

As for me, none of the things you cited really bothers me, but I've lived in the 3rd world before. If I get itchy feet, I'm headed to Malaysia or Thailand.

 

I guess I'd only advise you to be really sure why you are going anywhere if leaving the USA. Whoever said that Americans are ignorant about geography is very correct. You need to know what your real motivations are and then what your new overseas home is really like. If you fail to understand these two things, I think the odds are that you will be disappointed. And as admin says, if you can't adapt, it also gets to be real tough.

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smokey

You got that right!

 

That's one of the main reasons I am leaving the US and retiring in the Fils. I have other reasons, but that is in the top five.

 

What a time to create another socialist program paid for on the backs of the working man or woman.

 

I could have gone to Canada, but too cold most of the time. Could have gone to Mexico, but too many Mexicans. Europe is expensive. Southern hemisphere just seems "upside down" to me, being raised "right side up" all my life. Not sure I could get used to seeing my toiled "flush" the wrong way. :thumbsup:

 

That leaves Asia.

 

So, where would an English speaking, Christian, white boy retire in Asia that's cheap enough to live comfortably on a semi-fixed income? Hmmmm...where indeed. :biggrin_01:

 

 

 

 

 

 

well you wont have to worry here about the government there are no programs here but they still expect you to pay for the ones they do have your just not allowed to benefit..... as for the cheap you can live in clarksville TN for the same amount of money as you need for cebu

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Jess Bartone

What a great thread! I was almost going to do the multi quote thing and address some of the comments, but really, everyone covered it so well I would just be repeating.

 

So the best thing I can do is compare the Philippines to kangaroo meat, which I consider an absolute delicacy. It looks great, it smells great on the grill, it's best rare to medium rare, is extremely high in protein, low in fat, and the taste is sublime.

 

When people see it cooking, they'll always point to it and say "can I have some of that?", and after tasting it will declare "Wow, this is the best bit of steak I've ever had, where did you get it?"

"Ummm, I shot it yesterday... it's 'roo meat".

 

When a particular bloke, who I did not know very well (friend of a friend), found out what it really is, he spat it out in disgust, rinsed his mouth out with beer, and asked angrily "why didn't you tell me? that's f*n shit".

 

"You pointed it out, you specifically asked for it, you loved it, 'the best I've ever had' you said, but when you found out what it really was, you hated it. You have no idea how to love something for what it is, only for what you think it might be. Your nagging fat cow of a wife proves this to be true. I drove out into the scrub and spent a day walking up and down mountains to bag this meat, and you spat it out. Get out of my sight and get out of my house". Or words to that effect.

 

Yes, it all really comes down to your attitude, your set of beliefs, and your willingness to adapt.

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Chaz

What a great thread! I was almost going to do the multi quote thing and address some of the comments, but really, everyone covered it so well I would just be repeating.

 

So the best thing I can do is compare the Philippines to kangaroo meat, which I consider an absolute delicacy. It looks great, it smells great on the grill, it's best rare to medium rare, is extremely high in protein, low in fat, and the taste is sublime.

 

When people see it cooking, they'll always point to it and say "can I have some of that?", and after tasting it will declare "Wow, this is the best bit of steak I've ever had, where did you get it?"

"Ummm, I shot it yesterday... it's 'roo meat".

 

When a particular bloke, who I did not know very well (friend of a friend), found out what it really is, he spat it out in disgust, rinsed his mouth out with beer, and asked angrily "why didn't you tell me? that's f*n shit".

 

"You pointed it out, you specifically asked for it, you loved it, 'the best I've ever had' you said, but when you found out what it really was, you hated it. You have no idea how to love something for what it is, only for what you think it might be. Your nagging fat cow of a wife proves this to be true. I drove out into the scrub and spent a day walking up and down mountains to bag this meat, and you spat it out. Get out of my sight and get out of my house". Or words to that effect.

 

Yes, it all really comes down to your attitude, your set of beliefs, and your willingness to adapt.

 

Good post, yes you are right its all about attitude. I like Roo meat and Croc is good meat to, I can't really understand why some people don't like the thought of them, I guess some people just have closed minds and same

closed mind attitude applies to the Philippines.

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smokey
I guess some people just have closed minds and same closed mind attitude applies to the Philippines.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

chaz just because someone dont like what you like does not mean they have a closed mind.... most likely they are just not interested ... you like living in the country and riding the jeepney i find that boring and unexciting , I like going to manila to see a stage show , i find manila exciting compared to cebu we are all different .. hence the saying different strokes for different folks

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