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Who are the Badjao and Why are They in the Streets Begging?

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shadow
4 hours ago, Kabisay-an gid said:

Your alleged "positive example" is just another Badjao street beggar. In fact, the initial public photos of her that went viral, were taken while she was begging at a public festival in Quezon province - using a baby as "beggar bait" in typical Badjao fashion:

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Gotta be fake news. A Badjao would never beg, and especially using a child! Most certainly the child was hers, and she was merely passing though the area looking to buy a new watch.

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5 hours ago, Kabisay-an gid said:

Your alleged "positive example" is just another Badjao street beggar. In fact, the initial public photos of her that went viral, were taken while she was begging at a public festival in Quezon province - using a baby as "beggar bait" in typical Badjao fashion:

It's a positive story because this young girl is off the streets and back in school. She also became an advocate for the Badjao and brought a lot of attention to their plight nationwide.

2 hours ago, billy said:

it's surprising what they can do when they give her a bath

I'm guess the questions I asked were too difficult for you to answer. 

18 hours ago, billy said:

No there allowed there from here. 

18 hours ago, Tullioz said:

Last time I checked Mindanao is still part of the Philippines, so why would the beggars in say Cebu have more rights than those who come from Mindanao? 

A lot of young people think they are talented and travel from their home states to Los Angeles thinking they're going to be the next big Hollywood star only to find out they're not. Many end up living and begging on the streets of LA. Do those people not have a right to be in California? 

 

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36 minutes ago, shadow said:

Gotta be fake news. A Badjao would never beg, and especially using a child! Most certainly the child was hers, and she was merely passing though the area looking to buy a new watch.

Begging is not part of Badjao culture and has only become practiced in recent decades. Begging is something they learned from locals in the communities they migrated to in the north. The child is her sister. 

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Kabisay-an gid
1 hour ago, Tullioz said:

Begging is not part of Badjao culture and has only become practiced in recent decades. Begging is something they learned from locals in the communities they migrated to in the north. The child is her sister. 

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1. It doesn't matter who the child she was carrying is - the hard fact remains that she was using the child as a "begging prop" to create sympathy, with the intent of raking in more money. Tully has presented zero evidence the girl is actually back in school and no longer begging. 

2. It's common for many Badjao to beg in their home provinces and other parts of Mindanao. It's a practice they picked up on their own. Blaming Filipinos in the North for Badjao begging is low class, and blatantly bigoted towards non-Badjao Filipinos.

3. Many Badjao beggars who travel North to beg, do so during the Christmas season with the sole intention aforethought of begging, and then return to their home provinces after Christmas. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kabisay-an gid said:

1. It doesn't matter who the child she was carrying is - the hard fact remains that she was using the child as a "begging prop" to create sympathy, with the intent of raking in more money. Tully has presented zero evidence the girl is actually back in school and no longer begging. 

Why should I have to provide evidence? Why would I say that she was in school if she wasn't? What would be the point? 

A picture from the current school year:

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A story from 2 days ago:

Badjao Girl Rita Gaviola Transforms Into One Fine Lady!
https://www.manilainsight.com/2018/02/16/badjao-girl-rita-gaviola/

She's going to school, she no longer has to beg, it's a positive story. 

1 hour ago, Kabisay-an gid said:

It's common for many Badjao to beg in their home provinces and other parts of Mindanao. It's a practice they picked up on their own.

Have you been to their ancestral homeland?

1 hour ago, Kabisay-an gid said:

Blaming Filipinos in the North for Badjao begging is low class, and blatantly bigoted towards non-Badjao Filipino

Where do you think they learned this practice? Begging is not tolerated in their ancestral homelands and leaders of  villages there do not allow it. There was no need for begging in their ancestral homeland as they had plenty of food,  they bartered for trade, and there wasn't even a reason for their children to be educated because they were a self sufficient tribe. Even today you will not find Badjao begging in the Sulu provinces.  It wasn't until the past 50 years or so that begging was introduced to their culture and it was in fact learned from the people they encountered outside of their community. It's well documented.

1 hour ago, Kabisay-an gid said:

Many Badjao beggars who travel North to beg, do so during the Christmas season with the sole intention aforethought of begging, and then return to their home provinces after Christmas. 

 This is a practice by many of the tribes in the Philippines. It's not just Badjao and most of those who travel to the urban areas for the holidays are from the mountain tribes. Even non-tribal Filipino kids take to the streets to beg for alms during the Christmas season. 

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billy

tuilos get off your pedestal of the badjao we all know what they are, beggars don't try to pull the wool over our face. If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck it's not a turkey it's a duck

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5 minutes ago, billy said:

tuilos get off your pedestal of the badjao we all know what they are, beggars don't try to pull the wool over our face. If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck it's not a turkey it's a duck

"WE all know what they are" - sorry but you do not have the slightest idea what I know.  

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7 minutes ago, billy said:

tuilos get off your pedestal of the badjao we all know what they are, beggars don't try to pull the wool over our face. If it looks like a duck quacks like a duck it's not a turkey it's a duck

Still waiting for your answers.

On 2/17/2018 at 3:19 PM, Tullioz said:

Last time I checked Mindanao is still part of the Philippines, so why would the beggars in say Cebu have more rights than those who come from Mindanao? 

A lot of young people think they are talented and travel from their home states to Los Angeles thinking they're going to be the next big Hollywood star only to find out they're not. Many end up living and begging on the streets of LA. Do those people not have a right to be in California? 

 

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Tullioz, you have said many times the Badjao are hard working. You also say they are the lowest class, at the bottom of the totem pole, so to speak. Hard working people better themselves and provide a better life for the next generation. If they are so hard working why doesn't their plight get any better?

Thanks in advance for answering.

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4 hours ago, Edwin said:

Tullioz, you have said many times the Badjao are hard working. You also say they are the lowest class, at the bottom of the totem pole, so to speak. Hard working people better themselves and provide a better life for the next generation. If they are so hard working why doesn't their plight get any better?

Thanks in advance for answering.

In their ancestral homeland where most Badjao live, they are still self sufficient for the most part because of their own efforts. They either provide for their own needs with little interaction with outsiders, or trade and sell fish, seaweed, pearls or their own labor for what they need with people outside of their tribe.  For those in the Sulu region there's not much need for education for the ones that still live on the far flung islands, reefs, and the few that still live in houseboat communities.  They are not materialistic by nature and while many outsiders may see them as poor because of their lack of material possessions, they are perfectly content with the life they have. While they are often labeled as lower class, even by the government, the Badjao do not view themselves in the same way. 

It's the minority of the Badjao that live in the urban areas of Mindanao, the Visayas, and Luzon that are struggling to survive. These are the ones that need to have their children educated and learn new skills to survive in their new environment. While the majority of the Badjao even in these areas do have jobs and continue to work hard,  they have a hard time earning enough money to have a decent life in an urban setting. P1,000 to P2,000 per month from fishing or selling jewelry on the streets doesn't go very far in places like Davao City, Cebu City, or Manila. After money is spent for food and other basic needs, there's nothing left for things like sending children to school. 

Also, it's important to remember that our culture and the culture of the Badjao and other tribes found here in the Philippines are like night and day. What we view as a better life, may not be what they view as a better life. We may think education, a nice house, electricity, owning the latest gadgets and a high paying job are important, but to a native people group, having a place to call home, living in peace with their neighbors, having enough food to eat, and a healthy family may be all that matters.

This leads to the question as to which group is really poor? Those who live in a materialistic world where "things" determine ones level of wealth and happiness, or those who do not need so many "things" in their lives to be content.

 

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billy

tullios you can come up with anything you want but the badjao are a menace to society. the y don't work they seem to only beg and the worst part is there teaching there next generation to beg also. i can't see any positives to let them stay in cebu. better send them home to where they came from.

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1 hour ago, billy said:

tullios you can come up with anything you want but the badjao are a menace to society. the y don't work they seem to only beg and the worst part is there teaching there next generation to beg also. i can't see any positives to let them stay in cebu. better send them home to where they came from.

Badjao have been in Cebu for 50 years, most work, and most aren't teaching the next generation to beg. They are providing fish to the markets, they provide transportation,  some are street sweepers, some patrol the seas around Cebu to help keep the city safe, etc. 

You say send them back where they come from, most living in Cebu now were born there. 

20 hours ago, Tullioz said:

Still waiting for your answers.

On 2/17/2018 at 3:19 PM, Tullioz said:

Last time I checked Mindanao is still part of the Philippines, so why would the beggars in say Cebu have more rights than those who come from Mindanao? 

A lot of young people think they are talented and travel from their home states to Los Angeles thinking they're going to be the next big Hollywood star only to find out they're not. Many end up living and begging on the streets of LA. Do those people not have a right to be in California? 

 

 

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