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#1 David_LivinginTalisay

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:54 PM

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At Racal Amlan Plant VisMin.

 

Racal Ray 150 Diesel (14 photos)

For the first time a local motorcycle company produce a diesel engine Trike!

 

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:05 AM

Looks a bit like a Tuk Tuk.

 

http://www.livinginc...tuk-tuk/?p=4293

 

http://www.livinginc...uk-tuks/?p=4476

 

Actually, it looks more across between a Tuk Tuk and a Baht Bus. :)


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:15 AM

No air con???? do they charge by the kilo
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Posted 30 June 2013 - 01:01 AM

Very cool David! With the torque of a diesel it should have the ability to carry more than it's gasoline driven counterpart, and do it with greater fuel efficiency. 


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 01:36 AM

I have often thought of starting a "green" taxi service here in KC using Thai or India style motorcycle taxi's

 

A couple of college kids started a peddle car taxi service a couple years ago but the don't seem to have expanded beyond a couple peedle taxi's and you only see them around the bars on the weekends

 

It's a great business concept for the inner city short runs ---bar to bar----hotel to bar---- type fares

 

Had very little success even trying to find makers of the type of tuk/tuk taxi's I was looking for


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 02:22 AM

Very cool David! With the torque of a diesel it should have the ability to carry more than it's gasoline driven counterpart, and do it with greater fuel efficiency. 

 

Discovering it was a Diesel engine in that Chinese Racal Trike is what interested me, for several reasons:-

 

  1. Lower cost of Diesel Fuel, compared to Gasoline here in the Philippines
  2. Perhaps it might run off BIO Diesel, or even SVO (or  even Coconut Oil)?
  3. Diesel engines have rather more 'torque' than same capacity gasoline engines, typically.
    This translates into more 'pulling power' ie coping better with heavy load, and climbing hills.
  4. Diesel engines typically last considerably longer than gasoline engines, before major overhaul required.
    This due to needing to withstand the very high compression ratios, barrels, bottom end bearings,con-rods, little-end bearings
    Also due to much slower rpm on diesels, so less frictional velocity of pistons/rings against barrel.Much buffer distances before new rings and barrel honing required, let alone rebore and over size rings.
  5. This is not HighTech CRDi engines here, let alone any VGT Turbo, so it wont win any races at all.
    It is potentially a lot better for pulling more passengers up hills, slowly, and  with rather less 'effort', than any 150cc 2 stroke or 4 stoke motorcycle with side car attached.



Anyone aware that Zongshen have developed a 500cc Diesel Engine - DSW500 for use in ATV (but could perhaps be adapted to Motorcycle use)?

http://www.zse.cc/pr....&ProductsID=31

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Comparison with smaller capcity gasoline engine

 

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More Power (on displacement basis), but considerably lessTorque (and not as economical and shorter life, before major rebuild)



Engine model .................................ZS500-E

Engine name ..................................DSW500

Engine type ....................................Single cylinder,4-stroke, air-cooling, camshaft upwards

Displacement (ml) ..........................493.8

Dimension (mm×mm×mm)..............756×431×414

Net weight(kg) ................................80

Max. power (kw/r/min)....................10.0/3800

Max. torque (N.m/r/min) ................28.0/2500—3000

Compression ratio .........................21:1

Bore and stroke(mm×mm) .............86×85

Ignition method ..............................compression-ignition

Lubrication method .......................Pressure and Splash 

Min. fuel consumption (g/Kw.h) ...≤280

Starting method .............................Electric

Clutch method ...............................Manual dry single-Plate clutch

Gearshift method ..........................Constant mesh, three stage transmission ,5-speed Gearshift

 

Power of 10kW is not too impressive for 500cc engine! 
BUT 28 Nm of Torque from 1,500 - 3,300 rpm (Peak of nearly 30 Nm @ 2,300 rpm WOW!


Sure plenty of Motorcycles produce > 30 Nm, but these will inevitably be, race tuned, or >500cc, and peak Torque will be at higher rpm most likely. Max Power may only be 10kW but it occurs @ just 3,800 rpm. 

This DSW500 engine should be good at pulling loads, climbing hills and give fantastic fuel economy (and might run of used cooking oil - filtered SVO like some Diesel Car engine conversions)



 


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 02:59 AM

I have seen those for sale in Talisay

 

Sorry, no I do not remember the price



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 10:19 AM

I have seen those for sale in Talisay

 

Sorry, no I do not remember the price

 

I have not seen any in Talisay City/Minglanilla area (but then again I have only been back here for 2 weeks).

More chance to see them in Dumaguete @ Racal Amlan Plant VisMin

http://www.skyscrape...28200&page=1676

They say the owner is a native of NegOr, perhaps the reason why Dumaguete was chosen as their VisMin base; RACAL is replicating the success of RUSCO, easily two of the country's biggest motorcycle assembler-retailers.

 

U/C RACAL Motors VisMin Assembly Plant, Amlan [already in operation although they're still expanding the plant; there are thousands of motorcycles in storage and ready for shipping to its many dealerships around the Visayas and Mindanao]


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:53 PM

Center cross this map, is where I saw 2 of those in front of Racal Ceramics

 

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 02:08 PM

Saw one of these in Bogo last week.  Can't say as it's an original design.  They have a similar vehicle on Bantayan Island and in fact that's their version of the jeep as they don't have need of something as large as a real jeep.


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