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Posted 30 July 2012 - 2:20 PM

I have gone around to a number of shops and the price varies from 134,000 to 141,000.

Some say that the model they have is a 2011 model when queried while others say it is a 2012 model.

How can I tell if it is a genuine 2012 model? I do realize the only difference could be something like a decal change but I would still prefer to know I'm buying new stock and not something that has been gathering dust of a couple of years.

In fact I asked one dealer in Mandue and he told me that it is very hard to get one since the Tsunami last year in Japan. I said other shops have some but he said they had probably bought them several years ago and are selling them as 2012 models.

He also said Honda XR 200's are made in Japan except for the frame is assembled in the Philippines.

he also told me that he can get the bike registered within 7 days unlike other shops that will take 3 months or more.

Regarding registration, it seems the dodgy part of buying a bike here as I was told by some shops that I would have to pay between 400 to 600 pesos each 7 days for a temporary permit to ride the bike until my reg is ready, Some shops even had a limit of 1 or 2 of these which would mean I could only ride the bike for 7 days and then I would have to park it up until my reg arrives which could take many months. Then i talked to other shops who said you don't need it and as long as you have a thing on your number plate holder that says "For Registration" or something then you have nothing to worry about?

Another thing is that I read you should get a 3 year reg but not one shop mentioned this to me. Insurance, warranty also seems a gray area? Another is the servicing, some say free lifetime serving while others say 1 year? The guy in Manduae told me this was a load of rubbish with free lifetime servicing....

I tried several bikes recently and as I'm 5'11 I found bikes like the Yamaha 125G YBR that interested me felt too low for me. I also tried sitting on bikes like the Kawasaki 150 KLX which felt quite good. When I sat on the Honda XR 200 it just felt so right and the way I want a bike to be. I do realize it has some down points like the price, the bike has hardly changed for many years etc etc but it still feels right for me so it is the bike I would prefer to buy. Unfortunately the price is a little out for me so it might not be right now but in the next few months. I would like to know though how I can tell if it is the latest model and authentic?

Please don't suggest Chinese bikes as I have already decided I do not want one and nothing against those who like them.



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Posted 30 July 2012 - 4:16 PM

You'd save a bundle if you bought a used one. They haven't changed mechanically in at least 12 yrs.
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Posted 30 July 2012 - 7:08 PM

Another thing is that I read you should get a 3 year reg but not one shop mentioned this to me.


I am not surprised that nobody mentions 3 Year LTO Registration.
  • 3 Year LTO Registation only applies to Motorcycles > 200cc (those under 200cc are exempted!)
    The Honda XR200 actually has a Displacement of 196.9 cc
  • If they can't offer it on an XT225 having 224cc or a Rebel Rouser 220 with 220cc, no chance for 197cc
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If you have not already compared the Honda XR200 with the MCX Renegade 250, it might be worth doing so. You should be able to get 3 Year LTO Registration (but get that in writing from the Dealer that the Price you pay includes such!).

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The New MCX Renagade 250 come with even stronger frame geometry as new gussets added to srengthen and stiffen the headstock.

The Front and Rear Suspention on the Renagade 250, is superior to that of the XR200, as well as the Brakes.

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Oh sorry there is another BIG advantage over the Honda XR200 - the PRICE
See MCX Renegade 250 Discussion on MCP Forum - SRP @ 85k (Php77k Cash)

Ok so if you want it for OFF Road use, then there is added cost of 21" alloy Rims, Stainless steel spokes and Nipples, and hacing a wheel builder do the conversion. But you have a fair amount of 'change' (Php50-60K) from buying the MCX, rather than Honda XR200!

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MCX also introducing a 200cc Dual Sport
MCX S11-200cc Coming Very Soon?

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 9:23 PM

made in japan but frame assembled in philippines? I think they mean the engine is japanese and the rest of the bike is assembled in the philippines. Im pretty sure that the frames are even sprayed in the philippines as on close inspection of my mates xr200 the welding wasnt that good and the paint was really thin on one side of the frame, so thin it was rusting there. The bike was only 1yr old.

One trick I usually try with bikes to know the actual built year is to look at a hydraulic brake line. It should have a date stamp on there. (on cars check the date stamp on the seatbelt near the inertia roller part ant the bottom of the belt)...

as for the china bike Ive had plenty of them and find some are absolute crap when others are pretty good for the money. Either way ALL china bikes should have the steering head bearings regreased also the swingarm bushes and all axles. check ALL bolts for tightness and locktite as many bolts as you can (especially the rear sprocket bolts). dont buy one with heaps of chrome, unless you like rust. make sure you can get parts for them. Alot of china bikes dont have parts backup. ask the seller if he has a set of brake pads for one, or fork seals (you will need them pretty quickly anyway-especially with USD forks), even ask about an ECU or voltage regulator for the model your asking about.
what I usually do is walk straight in and just ask if they have any of the above parts for that particular bike. I do this before I even take any interest in the bike. at least then you know if you can get parts. if you look at the bike first then ask if they have parts backup they will always say yes, even if they dont. its just the way.

alot of good shits coming out of china now and some of the bikes arent too bad. Ive even seen 400cc and a 650cc adventure bike made in china however if I was buying a china bike I would go for a smaller cc, they vibrate alot so a larger cc bike would rattle your bones for sure!

and I definately would not buy a bike from someone who offers a lifetime warranty on a bike in the Philippines! I think he would retract his offer if you asked for that in writing and as a contract through an attorney....

just my 2 cents worth!

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:33 PM

I did do a lot a heck of a lot of thinking and research on bikes in recent weeks,, David, I think I have read every post of yours in those recent bike thread, some over 15 pages long so I have done a lot of reading and thinking. I do like the look of the china bikes and the price of course which is the only thing that is making me consider them in the back of my mind as I could afford one now while I can't afford a new XR 200 right now.

What puts me off china bikes though is the thought of them been made with cheap metal for the core parts like the frame, suspension, steering, wheels, brakes and the list goes on. What If I throw my bike over a large jump and it falls apart on landing and I'm sent to hospital because of going the cheap route and end up paying much more in hospital bills?

Now I have no facts or do I know what sort of metal and parts are used in China bikes, all I know is that nearly every Chinese product I have every bought has been absolute junk.

I know David is a China bike fanatic so I expected him to promote them on my thread even though I asked for that not to happen. Now we have gone down that road then we might as well talk about them...

If I was going to buy one then it would seem logical to only go with one of the more popular brands like Russi or Rascal as parts are the big thing with bikes.

Hypoman, you seem to know a bit about bikes and I would like to hear what models you would think would be worth me considering? One problem I have found with China bikes is that they seem smaller than the XR 200 with tiny wheels. I would like something that is going to give me the same ride height as the XR. I like look of the Motostar TRLAX 200 I think that is the model? I like the look of the Rascal models too. If I was to buy a china bike then I would go with a 200 to 250.

I would still prefer a Honda XR though, I did consider the Kawasaki KLX 150 but got put off when I heard it was made in Indonesia. I have considered a 2nd hand XR 200 but they seem very highly priced with 2006 models asking for 90k or 2009 models for 110k. It would seem worth spending another 25k or $500 for a brand new bike as at least you know it will be maintained properly where I have heard that bikes here and not always maintained that well?

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 10:36 PM

and David, the MCX Renagade 250 does look good and I will consider it....
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Posted 31 July 2012 - 9:04 AM

and David, the MCX Renagade 250 does look good and I will consider it....


I suggest reading Forums dedicated to what Motorcyle(s) you are considering.

MCX Renegade 250 Philippines is a Facebookl Discussion Group for MCX Motorcycles, particularly the Renegade 250.

Sure some have experienced some problems, but seem to be relatively minor.

The frame paint not hardening problem, one Member reported, seems more worrying in that Quality Control did not catch it.

What I did like reading was mofications in the light of experience and feedback, to improve the Model.



I posted a Message showing the Honda XR200 as sold in the Philippines on http://www.mychinamoto.com
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The XR200 has an MSRP in the Philippines of 137,900.00 Peso ($3,225.00 USD)
http://www.hondaph.com/showcase/xr-200

The Honda website has the XR200 engine as a 4 - Stroke OHV Air Cooled, however the image is of a OHC engine?
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I am not sure if the XR200 Specifications are for the OHV engine, when they show an image of an XR200 with an OHC engine (according to MJH)

But is MJH correct, on that being an OHC engine featured on the Hondaph.com website?

Personally, I think, without seeing the left hand side of the engione to see if it has a Cam-Chain with Tension Adjuster, you cant say with certainty if it is OHV or OHC?

The Honda XR200R that I bought in Bahrain in 1983, had the RFVC (Radial Four Valve Chamber) engine. This easy tpo tell as it has RFVC on it, painted Black and had twin exhaust header pipes.

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Engine:
Type - gasoline, air cooled 4-stroke SOHC
Cylinder arrangement - single cylinder inclined 15 degrees
Bore X Stroke - 67 X 56.5mm (2.6 X 2.2 in)
Displacement - 199 cc (12.1 cu. in.)
Commpression - 11.0:1
Valve train - 4 valve, chain driven overhead camshaft
Horsepower - 23 PS/9000 RPM ..........................................XR200 OHV 12.1(16.5ps) @ 8,000 rpm
Torque - 2.0 kg-m/7500 RPM...............................................XR200 OHV16.7 (1.7 kg-m) @ 6,500 rpm
Oil capacity - 1.7 US qt
Lubrication - Forced pressure and wet sump
Air filtration - Oiled polyurethane foam
Cylinder compression - 185-213psi

Dimensions:
Overall length - 2035mm (80.1in)
Overall width - 865mm (34.1in)
Overall height - 1180mm (46.5in)
Wheel base - 1365mm (53.7in)
Seat height - 905mm (35.6in)
Foot peg height - 395mm (15.6in)
Dry weight - 101kg (223lbs).................................................XR200 OHV 116kg


Frame:
Type - Semi double cradle
Front suspension travel - 254mm (10.0in)
Rear suspension travel - 246mm (9.7in)
Front tire size - 3.00/21(6PR)
Rear tire size - 110/90/17(6PR)
Front brake, drum, swept area - 86.3 cm2 (13.3 sq. in.)
Rear brake, drum, swept area - 86.3 cm2 (13.3 sq. in.)
Fuel capacity - 9.0l (2.4 us gal)
Fuel reserve capacity - 1.5l (.4 us gal)
Caster - 64 degrees
Trail - 105mm (4.1 in)
Front fork oil capacity - 355cc (12oz)

Carburetor:
Type - Piston valve
I.D. # - PH31A
Main jet - primary #98, secondary #95
Air screw - 1-3/8 turns out
Float level - 18mm (.71in)
Idle speed - 1300 +/- 100 rpm

Drivetrain:
Clutch - wet multiplate type
Transmission - 6 speed constant mesh
Primary reduction - 3.316
Gear ratio 1 - 2.769
Gear ratio 2 - 1.941
Gear ratio 3 - 1.450
Gear ratio 4 - 1.174
Gear ratio 5 - .960
Gear ratio 6 - .815

Electrical:
Ignition system - CDI
Timing Initial - 8 degrees +/-2BTDC at 1900 +/-200 rpm
Timing Full advance - 28 degrees +/-2BTDC at 4300 +/- 200 rpm
Spark plug - DPR9Z, DPR8Z(NGK), X27GPR-U, X24GPR-U (ND)
Spark plug gap - .6-.7mm (.02-.03in)
Headlight - 6V-35w
Taillight - 6v-2CP



Not everyone who buys an XR200 in the Philippines, is totally happy with it, it would seem according to this website Blog:-

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My third Honda. After returning to the Philippines I wanted to buy a Funduro BMW 650 or a Harley but it turned out that all the bigger bikes over here are imported on an idividual basis and that each spare part and even tires have to be imported individually as well. In the early eighties in Germany I waited three months for the gearbox spare parts for my Honda CB125 J. Kind of a traumatic experience seeing summer pass by and the motorcycle sitting in the garage. Since I wanted to use this bike every day I ended up buying the Honda because it was the the biggest locally assembled dirt bike that the Philippine market has to offer. But I was in for a big disappointment.


Looks nice

The brand new Honda definitely looks appealing (click on the pictures for a bigger picture).

Performance

But the initial excitement drops quite a bit when riding the bike. I had looked the type up in the Internet and got some very favourable user reports about the performance of the XR200 but then realised that Honda uses the same name for another bike with a four valve engine outside the Philippines. This bike has a two valve engine with a design very similar like my first bike, the Honda CB125S, had. Just add a bigger cylinder and piston and an electric starter.


A boring engine

The two valve 200 ccm engine is suche a bore. Basically a 30 year old design. The performance feels like 30 years old, or even older. It does not have a lot of torque, which is expected with a small engine like that but it also does not have power either even if you rev it to the limit which is indicated by little red gear marks on the speedometer. I had problems getting faster than 100km/h. Some users in the Philippines report 110 or even 120 km/h but I wonder how they get those numbers, maybe lying flat on the tank using the draft of a fast moving car in front.

This is definitely a result of the protected economy of the Philippines. Honda can still sell this engine here in a "locally produced" motorbike which enjoyes tax incentives while imported, more exciting bikes have a 100% import tax attached to them. Nobody would buy this kind of bike in a more competitive market.


Frame and Suspension

The frame and suspension are quite nice, I thought initially at least. Very light and the bike has a high frame so that running up to Mt. Maikiling on a really bad dand steep dirt road was good fun the first couple of times I did it.

Both, the fork and the Pro-Link monoshock for the back wheel give sufficiently long way for my body weight even for small jumps. The front disc brake looks tiny but is quite good and does not need a lot of force to break the bike quickly. For two heavy riders it is a bit underdimensioned. The half rim drum break at the back wheel is pretty weak but sufficient for this size of bike.
The monoshock is hidden behind plastic and can be adjusted to drivers weight, although tools are needed to accomplish this and it is not an easy task.
Little disk brake at front wheel

Well, performace is relative until until you have a comparison. I rented a Honda XLR200 in Angeles for a week to drive to Baguio. Basically a very similar bike but with a modern 4 valve engine and a much stiffer fram. Roughly the same weight but 10 hp more. I really enjoyed that bike a lot more. After returning to my own XR200 I felt all of a sudden how crappy it's frame really is.


Some jokes

Pathetic front light
The front light is a joke. A small rectangular light with a 35/35W bulb, some sort of moped joke. Definitely unusable. At night you have to either slow down to almost walking speed or have your will completed drawer back home. Another joke sits on top of the back mudguard sits a little red bag with the typical Honda toolkit. You better not need it or replace it with some serious tools. The bag is actually quite useless since it invites people to steal the tools so you better not leave them in there, except you trust the pathetic locking cable that comes with it.


Welding joints at frame

While the engine and other compoenents are obviously shipped from Japan some components like the frame and the handle bar are probably locally manufactured. You can see it in the finish.

The welding of the frame looks awful. The handlebar started rusting after a few months. The color of the plastic used for the mud gards, hand protectors and side covers fades in the sun like the color print of an ink jet printer. Admittedly we live in the tropics and the climate favors corrosion but why does the tank (imported?) not have a single spot of rust after 4 years while in other parts it is very obvious after a few months?


Service

On theory spare parts are available and cheap because the bike is locally assembled. In practice Star Honda in Calamba often did not have the most basic parts like light bulbs and screws to attach the sprocket to the back wheel on stock. Service is another issue. Since most Philippino customers go primarily for a low bill an all inclusive preventive maintenance package can not be expected. I had to tell the service center each individual piece of work and still they forgot things. I ended up servicing the bike by myself.


Rating

Category.........................................Rating (out of 5 highest))
Engine performance.................................0
Frame and suspension...............................3
Weight.............................................2
Quality............................................2
Off road fun factor................................0
Suitability for travel (without modifications).....2
Show factor........................................3
Price..............................................3
Spare part price and availability..................2
Overall rating.....................................0



Modifications

I did not like this bike a lot, that's why I did not put a lot of work in it. The only two modifications I did was getting rid of the silly tool bag and putting a luggage rack instead and fitting an additional 55W halogen light before I went on a trip to Bicol. I also installed an Alarm system but the sensor has a very long response time so it is kind of useless. It starts sounding the alarm when the thief is already on his way.


Trips

I used this bike for my daily trip to work, a 8 minute ride one way. Since the Philippine highways don't allow bikes with less than 400ccm I could not take it on the SLEX so whenever I went on a bike trip to Northern Luzon I had to rent a bike in Angeles. I took the little Honda on several trips to the South though:

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Posted 31 July 2012 - 9:32 AM

I have had an XR200 since 2009. Was a great ride and used it over many terrains as well as riding it back to Cebu from Manila. Nice bike. However, the above comments regarding build quality and light are bang on the money. Only the engine is from Japan - build quality and paint is very much local and soon started to show at the welds, with rust appearing pretty quickly. Same went for the handlebars, which soon had to be replaced with a replacement aftermarket set due to the rust on the originals. Sold it last month (admittedly they hold their 2nd hand price well) and bought a Motostar 155X. Modern aluminium box frame, great weld quality, showa suspension, modern water-cooled engine and 62,000 pesos on the road. Love the bike!
As for conduction permits: I have bought a number of new bikes in Cebu and basically riding without one is fine until something goes wrong - then you will have problems as the conduction permit also includes that week's third party liability. It is a ridiculous situation that has prevailed for years whereby the customer is penalized for the LTO's inability to push through registration as they should. You are quite right, some places do limit the number they issue, so you are torn between taking a chance or having your new bike gather dust. Out in the provinces no-one seems to bother with them and the LTO traffic people do not seem to bother about them the way they do in Cebu - but the same still applies if things go wrong!
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:22 AM

I suggest reading Forums dedicated to what Motorcyle(s) you are considering. MCX Renegade 250 Philippines is a Facebookl Discussion Group for MCX Motorcycles, particularly the Renegade 250. Sure some have experienced some problems, but seem to be relatively minor. The frame paint not hardening problem, one Member reported, seems more worrying in that Quality Control did not catch it. What I did like reading was mofications in the light of experience and feedback, to improve the Model.


I have been reading the review but it looks like I have to exclude the Renegade unfortunately now and I was seriously interested in it but he says here " At least with my Renegade 250. The frame underneath where the passenger will be sitting is too flimsy to safely carry a passenger."

I will want to carry my small Filipino girlfriend with me at times so I will need a bike that can do that.

Are there any other models I could consider. I like the Renegade as it seems to have some good reviews, is popular etc. The price is on the higher end though for a Chinese bike, it would be good if I could pick something up for around 50k that could carry my girlfriend and is an off road machine more than road. This was one thing I was confused with the Renegade, it looks like a CRF clone but it has road tires and is made for mainly road use?

thanks for the other info and replies, will read that soon...

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:31 AM

and bought a Motostar 155X. Modern aluminium box frame, great weld quality, showa suspension, modern water-cooled engine and 62,000 pesos on the road. Love the bike!

That's interesting, I'm worried that a 155 would not have much torque on trails and up hills, especially with a passenger, what do you think about this?

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